Comments on: Very Superstitious: There Are No Accidents http://www.maxpersuasion.com/very-superstitious-there-are-no-accidents/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=very-superstitious-there-are-no-accidents A school dedicated to Mastering the Art of Persuasion Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:35:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Norman Parsson http://www.maxpersuasion.com/very-superstitious-there-are-no-accidents/#comment-181 Norman Parsson Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:43:27 +0000 http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/very-superstitious-there-are-no-accidents/#comment-181 If we are willing to resort to uttering concept or beliefs or ideas that we ourselves do not believe, what are ultimately persuading ourselves to believe about what is valuable and what isn't? I advocating this bordering on manipulation. By manipulation, I mean: 1. Stating as fact something that is not fact. That would include saying that you believe something that you do not. 2. Using guilt, fear, shame or other painful emotions to coerce a choice. 3. Hiding an agenda that is harmful to the other person. Like pretending to be a loyal employee while spying for a competitor. Why would someone with untold levels of skill advocate such an approach? I don't get it. NP If we are willing to resort to uttering concept or beliefs or ideas that we ourselves do not believe, what are ultimately persuading ourselves to believe about what is valuable and what isn’t?

I advocating this bordering on manipulation.

By manipulation, I mean:

1. Stating as fact something that is not fact. That would include saying that you believe something that you do not.

2. Using guilt, fear, shame or other painful emotions to coerce a choice.

3. Hiding an agenda that is harmful to the other person. Like pretending to be a loyal employee while spying for a competitor.

Why would someone with untold levels of skill advocate such an approach?

I don’t get it.

NP

]]> By: Jack Ford http://www.maxpersuasion.com/very-superstitious-there-are-no-accidents/#comment-180 Jack Ford Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:54:24 +0000 http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/very-superstitious-there-are-no-accidents/#comment-180 Hey Kenrick, Another thought provoking post. After reading this post, I got to thinking about Myths and their usefulness to us as persuaders. There are personal,family, cultural, as well as professional myths. You know what I'm talking about-- those "sacred cows" few people want to stand against. How can they be useful to us as persuaders? I can think of a few ways right off the top of my head. Here are two: 1) Show them how the solution is congruent with the myth 2) Show them that they've been lied to and that their current predicament was caused by the myth, but there is a way out of their misery -- I like this one a lot better. What do you think? Warmly, Jack Hey Kenrick,

Another thought provoking post.

After reading this post, I got to thinking about Myths and their usefulness to us as persuaders. There are personal,family, cultural, as well as professional myths. You know what I’m talking about– those “sacred cows” few people want to stand against.

How can they be useful to us as persuaders? I can think of a few ways right off the top of my head.

Here are two:
1) Show them how the solution is congruent with the myth
2) Show them that they’ve been lied to and that their current predicament was caused by the myth, but there is a way out of their misery — I like this one a lot better.

What do you think?

Warmly,
Jack

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