I would argue that he was reading what his “handlers” gave him as talking points for damage control.

This is the “soup of the day” for the elite.

“If you mess up, say you found Jesus, and try not to laugh.

Just my 3 1/2 cents (adjusted for inflation)

The Mad Webmaster

Both scenarios would then seem to deny the existence of a “perfect plan” according to
the will of one’s creator. Which by definition relieves humans of the role of “judge” and makes both forgiveness and redemption a myth because in some way shape or form it’s all acording to “His will” anyway. Or not.

Live with Intention,
Bill

When you say – ” Any personal bias on my part could get in the way of any persuasion or influence that I attempt. Sensing M V through what he reveals is important so that I can catalog another way that affluent people behave” are you not judging the and or compartmentalizing the “affluent”?

I believe bias and judgment is not only natural but also unavoidable for all of us and, yet, it can be extremely useful factor to recognize in (our) persuasion.

It has been my experience that rapport cannot be successfully achieved until I move THROUGH and with my biases and addresses the receivers concerns (bias, worry, concerns, joy, fear etc).

Once that has true rapport been accomplished (getting fully engaged into their brain and communication patterns et al) you may discover that people are just people and rich, poor, educated and _____________ (fill in the long blank) is only a condition or circumstance. We all have the same common thread of “human” emotions. How people hold affluence is actually quite a fun and a silly game.

As for our subject Mike Vick, unquestionably, this is a good thing for MV to go through. It will invariably lead to personal growth and humility at some level… hopefully it bonds permanently.

I feel that there is more criteria that can be elicited, discovered, revealed from
an affluent subject such as M V. Any personal bias on my part could get
in the way of any persuasion or influence that I attempt. Sensing M V through
what he reveals is important so that I can catalog another way that affluent people
behave.

I’ll leave the judging for someone else. Who knows, this might be good thing
what M V is going through. I mean…people are talking about it eh?

What we have been exposed to are several independent items. Mike Vick, NFL, dog fighting and the media all rolled up into a circus event, thanks to the media.

Lets examine the media – we all know that the media will only report and rehash to the nth degree every area of controversy and then keep going and going for only one self serving purpose: ratings which translates to money. Compare the Iraq War to WW II. We never questioned (to any measurable degree) our involvement against the Nazis & the Japanese, in fact our soldiers were glorified for making our nation safer and a greater place to live. There was substantially more distruction, collateral damage, loss of the innocent in WW II. What was the difference? We needed to sell War Bonds to finance the War, pure and simple.

This is the sole foundation to all of the stressors with these types of events. Clearly, they hire only the best persuasion doctors money can buy. Kenrick be more mindful of who you train!! Ha, ha.

Can the media redeem it self ? Of course and we all know that that’ll never happen!

Mike Vick – Do I believe his apology ? Absolutely. Although his language was somewhat orchestrated, he cannot hide from his true motive and interest. The reason I do believe him is because his surface motive for the apology is abundantly clear – he got caught and he cannot stomach the massive loss of money and the permanent damage to his ego.

Any human being who can knowingly & willingly involve themselves in the blatent murder of life and never exhibits any remorse during those acts (if he did he would have stopped the entire fight circuit with which he was involved) must be punished accordingly.

Can he redeem himself ? Absolutely and there is a price to pay. He must remove himself from the influences, both ebb & flow, from the public in any area of professional sports. This should not be any question and he should turn his back and start his “new life”.

I am a firm believer in God and the Bible is clear that He will forgive anybody for anything and start to make the person new again from the inside out, providing there is true repentence and that that individual agrees to follow God’s plan.

The NFL – This is a no brainer. If the MLB can ban one of the greatest baseball players of all time, Pete Rose for gambling (and not on dog fights), what’s the problem, why is there even a question ? The NFL has no choice but to ban him forever. The contracts, the money has zero to do with it. Integrity demands it.

Can the NFL redeem itself ? No, not if they keep Vick in ANY capacity.

Dog Fighting – The only acceptable form is with remote control model airplanes.

However, I will comment on your step by step analysis of the story as it applies to redemption. Seems to me that you are right on target as you progressed from one logical step to the other. Your examples throughout the process are very good.

I envy people who can reason with such clarity and not get muddled with emotional reactions during the process.

Michael Vick’s participation in dog fighting (I accept the report as a proven fact) is only one example of how certain groups of people can escape their responsibilities to society as a whole. If the dogs had been crickets or crocodiles would the offense seem less important? I wonder.

Thanks for a great site, Ray